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Amid Anger, A Conversation Between Protester And Police

Braxton Winston and CMPD Major Mike Campagna talk at the protest.
Michael Tomsic
Braxton Winston and CMPD Major Mike Campagna talk at the protest.

Protesters marched through uptown Wednesday night after the Mecklenburg County district attorney announced no charges in the fatal police shooting of Keith Lamont Scott. Amid the anger, there was also a conversation between a demonstrator and a police officer who have both become familiar faces at protests.

As protesters shouted in front of CMPD headquarters, two men had a passionate but respectful conversation in the thick of it all. One was a tall African-American with dreadlocks. The other was a short, white police officer with close-cropped hair.

鈥淲hy would CMPD not just come to the people?鈥 Braxton Winston said. He was asking CMPD Major Mike Campagna about another shooting: the killing of a protester during one of the violent nights in September that followed Scott鈥檚 death. Winston wanted to know why police haven鈥檛 released more evidence against the man charged in that.

Campagna answered that releasing too much information before trial would bias potential jurors.

鈥淗e deserves a fair trial,鈥 Campagna said. 鈥淵ou agree with that?鈥

鈥淚 believe everybody deserves a fair trial,鈥 Winston answered. 鈥淚 believe in the court system. I don鈥檛 believe in what surrounds the court system.鈥

Winston says racism is a big part of the problem. He and Campagna talked about that in broader terms.

鈥淭he race issue is a societal issue,鈥 Campagna said.

鈥淐orrect,鈥 Winston replied. 鈥淚t鈥檚 an institutional issue, and CMPD is an institution.鈥

鈥淚 understand,鈥 Campagna said. 鈥淏ut you鈥檝e go to understand to work on those issues, it takes more than just the police department.鈥

鈥淚 agree with that,鈥 Winston said. 鈥淚 totally agree with that.鈥

Their conversation lasts more than 10 minutes. They vehemently disagree on some things, and there鈥檚 still frustration asCampagnaheads back to his fellow officers and Winston marches off with his fellow protesters.  

Winston lives in Charlotte and graduated from Davidson College about a decade ago. He says he hadn鈥檛 been very active in protests before the Scott shooting, but it hit close to home because of where he lives.

Since that September night, he鈥檚 been a fixture in the protests. And he says Campagna has been too.

鈥淗e was on the street with us every night,鈥 Winston says. 鈥淚 know a lot of people have different opinions of everything that's going on here, but he and I kind of worked together at different points in time to make sure we could continue on walking and our rights were protected.鈥

He says Campagna is 鈥渁s supportive as a member of the police department can be.鈥

鈥淎s he will tell me and everybody else, he can't speak to some of the questions that need to be answered,鈥 Winston says, 鈥渟o I appreciate him personally. But professionally, I wish his institution would treat us with more respect.鈥

Winston says a good starting point would be the police chief and other higher-ups in local government also coming out to protests and listening. 

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Michael Tomsic became a full-time reporter for WFAE in August 2012. Before that, he reported for the station as a freelancer and intern while he finished his senior year at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He芒芒
Michael Tomsic
Michael Tomsic covers health care, voting rights, NASCAR, peach-shaped water towers and everything in between. He drivesWFAE'shealth care coverage through a partnership with NPR and Kaiser Health News. He became a full-time reporter forWFAEin August 2012. Before that, he reported for the station as a freelancer and intern while he finished his senior year at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He interned with Weekends on All Things Considered in Washington, D.C., where he contributed to the show鈥檚 cover stories, produced interviews withNasand BranfordMarsalis, and reported a story about a surge of college graduates joining the military. AtUNC, he was the managing editor of the student radio newscast, Carolina Connection. He got his start in public radio as an intern withWHQRin Wilmington, N.C., where he grew up.
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